Hillary is RFK! [Update]

Yesterday I watched in amusement at the way the OFB twisted Hillary's answer to a question asking why there has been such a push to get her to drop out of the race. In the answer she compared her campaign to that of RFK's and Bill's and how they had both been campaigning in June. Somehow the OFB and the media ginned up the comment to mean that either Hillary was staying in the race in case something happened to Barack or that she secretly wanted someone to take him out.

It was totally disgusting that it was twisted that way but came as no surprise. I was surprised though that the Obama campaign for once didn't jump on something and twist it and blow it out of proportion. With the exception of the Bill Burton canned response the campaign handled it better than its supporters. I have to give them credit here. I should also give credit to the Obama supporters who had their heads on straight and tried to keep the OFB from going over the edge.

But I can't give credit to the media and the OFB that made a mountain out of a molehill. Only in kool-aid land can Hillary comparing her campaign to that of RFK's mean that she wants something horrible to happen to Barack. It is really sad that Hillary who understands her place in history can't talk about it or draw comparisons to it (hello, LBJ?) because some people are too young or too stupid to understand.

If people want to make a direct analogy with her answer and this primary then you should realize that by any measure Hillary is RFK and only those who are unhinged can claim that it was a reference to Barack.

The similarities between both campaigns and candidates is almost eerie. Both RFK and Hillary are the Senators from New York, she's even currently holding his seat. Like people discounted RFK and denigrated his work/experiece and claimed he got where he was because of his brother Hillary has endured the same line of attack with claims that she got where she is because she is married to a former president.

At the time of the tragedy RFK was trailing Humphrey who had a large lead in delegates from non-primary states and the backing of party leaders like Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley. Like RFK, Hillary has "the math" against her and is trailing an opponent who racked up delegates in red states caucuses and is backed by party leaders like Ted Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, Brazile, Durbin etc.

Both Hillary and RFK underwent an unlikely transformation that was brought about through their runs for President. They both became the underdogs with the populist pitch and were seen as fighters for those without a voice. RFK was mocked because he campaigned in the ghetto and was embraced by ethnic and religious minorities the way Hillary is because she has the support of working class voters, women, Catholics, Hispanics, Gays, poor whites and those without college degrees.

Any honest examination of the answer Hillary gave will not lead to an interpretation like the one the OFB and the likes of KO have drummed up. If anything in the analogy Barack is McCarthy and Humphrey. Like McCarthy because he has the anti-war crowd and the large rallies at college campuses and like Humphrey because he has the backing of the elites in the party and media. It is ironic that Barack has a large support of those in college or with advanced degrees yet they're ignorant of history. Even I at the age of 30 with my inner city public school education and BA from a third rate liberal arts college understood what Hillary said and see the historic parallels between her campaign and that of RFK.

But if the likes of KO who suggested that Hillary be taken into a room by a SD and only he comes out wants to make himself a bigger hypocrite by making scurrilous interpretations that's fine by me. I washed my hands of him a while back once it dawned on my that I projected on him the nobler qualities of a progressive simply because he hated GWB. If the OFB wants to continue this line of attack and twisting of what Hillary has said I can and will similarly wash my hands of you and your candidate in the fall. As you sit there on your fainting couch and clutch at your pearls ask yourself where was your outrage and after IA when Jesse Jackson Jr Barack's National Co-Chair said:

"The natural reminder here is O.J. [Simpson] -- how does an African American candidate attack a white woman?"

::::[Update]:::: Some people have taken exception with my use of "OFB" in the comments section. If you note I used the terms OFB and Obama supporters in the diary. IMO they are two different kinds of people and just because they are supporting the same candidate does not mean they are all the same. the OFB has a different mentality that the average Obama supporter and on-line they do things like swarm the comments section of blogs and diaries and just generally try to be disruptive. Make note of the use of images below. Update part 2 One of the OFB said in the comments that my diary wasn't good because among other things it wasn't well sourced. Given how educated the OFB demographic is I figured they could read a book, watch a documentary or check wiki on their own. I was sadly mistaken and figured my diary was more of an Op-Ed anyway so didn't provide a link. But I'll do so now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

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Re: Hillary is RFK! (1.60 / 10)

The most insane diary ever?


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:17:52 PM EST

Definitely in the running (none / 0)


by jaywillie on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:27:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's got my vote (2.00 / 2)

But --

If Hillary is RFK,
and
Florida is Zimbabwe,

then

RFK is Morgan Tsvangirai!  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:23:11 PM EST
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Yes, please rec this diary... (2.00 / 1)

...as an example to us all. This is not a way to support your candidate. In fact, comparing a gaffe to an assassination only compounds and amplifies the original gaffe. I have to conclude the diarist is a snarky crazy Obama supporter, or a division sowing republican.

And for examples of unclarity of thought, and the dangers of eating aluminium saucepans, this sentence will stand in the MYDD hall of fame/shame

Only in kool-aid land can Hillary comparing her campaign to that of RFK's mean that she wants something horrible to happen to Barack. It is really sad that Hillary who understands her place in history can't talk about it or draw comparisons to it (hello, LBJ?) because some people are too young or too stupid to understand.

I'm so glad I'm young enough and stupid enough NOT to understand a word of that sentence.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:12:11 PM EST
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TR ABUSER (none / 0)

This comment is perfectly within the MyDD guidelines. Troll rating it was an abuse of your privilidges. You should correct your error or be known as a TR ABUSER.

To respond in kind would be just, but I will not abuse my trusted user privilege as you have done.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:49:47 PM EST
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Re: TR ABUSER (none / 0)

TR Abuse abounds...

The biggest serial offenders happen to be Clinton supporters.. are you going to call them out too, or just follow the Obama supporters around...?

Just curious...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:06:57 PM EST
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Re: TR ABUSER (none / 0)

Everybody should call out those who abuse their comments. And while I don't go to such trouble when I see it done to others, I will uprate their comment and encourage them to report or call out the abuser.

I don't distinguish between types of "supporters." I happen to prefer Obama to Clinton. So, if the person who abused my comment does as well, it makes no difference to the fact.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:47:03 PM EST
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Re: TR ABUSER (none / 0)

It was an honest question really.... I have seen posters call out some people on one side or another for TR abuse, but not apply the same standard to their side...

Really though, I have yet to see an answer to the question either.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:03:25 AM EST
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Re: TR ABUSER (none / 0)

I've only had to call out a few people on my own behalf a few times (and sometimes I've realized I deserved a TR and said nothing upon rereading the comment since I referenced people directly in a questionqable if not bad way).

There are only a few around here who I know by name as supporters of one candidate or the other. When I think they've been ill rated I just upgrade without regard to who it is, while rarely commenting on it.

But in my own cases, I can't upgrade my own posts, so calling out is the only remedy. I wouldn't care at all except getting rated badly too much results in bad things happening.

But I think the worst thing to do is retaliate in kind because that can only lead to escalation. Frankly, I think the whole TR and diary recommend system invites abuse by the unscrupulous.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:08:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Can you please retract this.... (none / 0)

If you've only had to call out a few people, then why on earth didn't you check whether someone was a TR ABUSER before calling them one?

If you'd bothered to look at my virtually non existent trolling history, or my comments, you would see how inappropriate this accusation is in my case, and would have probably concluded, correctly, that the one troll I've given in about two weeks - to your comment - was probably an error.

There are many people here who abuse the system, and if you look at a recent comment you'll see I've even called out Obama supporters for trolling - though I am on the same side.

So since you've led FOUR comments calling me a TR ABUSER, based on one ERROR in the downkeys, when I meant to mojo you, can I please have a public withdrawal of this TR ABUSER label?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:05:03 AM EST
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Re: Can you please retract this.... (none / 0)

If you have corrected your error, then you are not a TR abuser.

And if you have, then I would thank you for it.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:10:28 AM EST
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Re: Can you please retract this.... (none / 0)

Was corrected as soon as I saw it.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:26:26 AM EST
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TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIDING ON OBAMA (none / 0)

The combined amount of money spent on healthcare in the US PER FAMILY is MANY tens of thousands of dollars a year. When added to the cost of the Pentagon budget and Iraq (around $25,000 per family, an amount Obama wants to raise to Cold War levels) you can see why SO many big money interests want Obama over Hillary. Its the biggest gravy train in human history.

That is why I am terrified of this analogy. Its too true.

Pray for the safety of BOTH candidates!


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:49:27 AM EST
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Re: Can you please retract this.... (none / 0)

Consider it retracted.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:29:14 PM EST
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Re: TR ABUSER (none / 0)

Hey. Calm down. You've gone to a lot of effort to dominate your thread for one ACCIDENTAL trolling.

I actually meant to mojo you, and if you'd bothered to search my comment history, you would have concluded that.

I don't think I've trolled anyone in weeks.

So your comment is mojo'ed as I'd originally intended, and if you're going to react this way to every trolling on MYDD, then you might need anti high blood pressure medication


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:50:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks (none / 0)

Thanks for correcting your mistake.  Just more evidence of how ridiculous the entire rate/rec system is.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:04:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Way to freak out (none / 0)

Wow.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:31:34 AM EST
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Re: Way to freak out (none / 0)

I've had it with drive by stabs in the back. If more people called out TR abuse there would be a lot less of it.

I don't TR people, so it's a problem I'll never have.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:06:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, since your link didn't work (none / 0)

I wasn't able to verify your tantrum.  But the person you called out as a "TR abuser" (should we call Protective Services?) said the rating was a mistake and changed it.  So, your point is/was what?  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:35:16 AM EST
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Re: Well, since your link didn't work (none / 0)

The link works for me.

And the TR was corrected AFTER I called it out.

I have said thank you to the person who did it. So call whomever you please about it.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:33:25 PM EST
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Re: Yes, please rec this diary... (2.00 / 1)

That's truly sad.  Pathetic, even.


by Tolstoy on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:11:06 PM EST
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Enough (none / 0)

The campaign is going to end in a couple weeks.  Could you stop trying to sow division?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:18:51 PM EST

Caught a picture of the diarist at work... (1.50 / 10)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:26:16 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 1)

LOL

no really...thats all I've got in response to this.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:22:04 PM EST

Only one thing to say here... (1.75 / 4)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:22:16 PM EST

I may be the only one... (2.00 / 1)

but I'm sick of the illustrations lately attached to some comments.
Overdone.
Too cute.
Waste of space.

by susie on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:15:33 PM EST
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Re: Only one thing to say here... (none / 0)

ROFLMAO!  Not as good as the Alegre one, but it suits the diary fine.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:55:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please don't make this comparison. (2.00 / 2)

It's convoluted, to say the least, and somewhat insensitive. But most importantly, it disturbs me because the idea of something happening to her makes me physically ill.

Just... don't. This serves no purpose.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:22:38 PM EST

Re: Please don't make this comparison. (2.00 / 2)

The idea of something happening to either of them makes me physically ill.

Given the drop in any remaining level of sanity here, I need to take a break until the primary season is over.  I think reading this stuff may cause some kind of mental rewiring where the boundaries that keep things "nice" all go down.

Very few are listening to anything except what confirms what they believe to begin with.

We don't remember history, we conveniently forget anything that does not make our case or shove it to the other guy.

Occasionally someone posts something of real personal interest or where they obviously did some research; those diaries sink like stones.

I'm going back to writing letters to the editor, real letters, mailed letters.  This is too easy and too unproductive a way to be political and the noise level is deafening.  


by mady on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:44:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ah, damn... (2.00 / 1)

Your sanity will be missed by all of us. Every time a sane person leaves, it feels like the angry hysterics get louder. All the best to you, though. I hope you come back once things settle down a bit.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:07:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ah, damn... (2.00 / 1)

Oh, am not leaving permanently, I just feel addled by all the hate.  I'll be back for the general.  And back at you sricki, thanks.


by mady on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:12:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Way to miss the point. (none / 0)


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:10:28 PM EST
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Re: Way to miss the point. (2.00 / 3)

I'd say when one of the most reasonable and influential Clinton supporters on this site tells you you're doing it wrong, then one thing must be true:


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:51:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

At this moment (none / 0)

I am on the rec list and just knocked you off. I guess I'm doing it right after all.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:17:50 PM EST
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Re: At this moment (2.00 / 3)

If all we have to judge by is making the wreck list on this site, then sure, you did well...

If you are actually measuring the worth of a diary by a well sourced, well thought out argument, then no...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, you're hurting my feelings. (none / 0)

No, seriously! What you think of my diary and my thoughts totally matters to me.

Now run along and troll somewhere else.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, you're hurting my feelings. (2.00 / 2)

I am not a troll...  but, petty insults in your diary toward Obama supporters pretty much diffuses a lot of the substance.

Making the wreck list is not necessarily a sign of a job well done around here anymore... although, the petty insults toward Obama supporters are a sure sign to get you there.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:41:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've had enough (none / 0)

contact with you to form my own opinion. You can have yours and I'll have mine. If you want feel free to point out the petty insults you see I directed to Obama supporters. I was fair and differentiated between the OFB and Obama supporters. If you read the diary you would have noticed that, I even complimented the Obama campaign and how they handled this.

Again, run along now and troll someone else. You're boring me.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:45:37 PM EST
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Re: I've had enough (2.00 / 1)

you've had enough contact with ME to decide I am a troll...?

Wow, that's a first....

May I suggest you get around on this site a bit more...

Either that or get a thicker freakin' skin... one of the two.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:57:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh (2.00 / 1)

My diary, which spent almost 24 hours on the rec list, and it was supplanted by Hillaryis44 rec-and-runners, same as Alegre's... which just killed yours! Guess even the Clinton diehards'll throw you under the bus for Alegre!

Hey, by the way, how'd North Carolina work out for Hillary? Last I remember, you were predicting a big win.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:55:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WTF? (2.00 / 1)

Where did I predict a Clinton win in NC? But seeing as how he didn't win by the 20 points he was suppose to and he lost the state (Indiana) in his backyard after he predicted he would win it by 7 points I say she did really good that night. LMAO.

I won't hold my breath for that link where I supposedly claimed she'd win NC 'cause I don't think I've ever made predictions on ANY primary. Well, maybe PA I said she would win? Don't remember.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:06:00 PM EST
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Re: WTF? (none / 0)

I seem to remember snarking a comment in after you'd said the Latino vote would go heavy for Obama in North Carolina, after you badmouthed my comment about having worked with some Latinos canvassing for Obama in Greensboro. You sure acted like you thought it was possible, but, heck, whatever you think, bud.

We've got November sewn up, the White House is ours, and Barack Obama's gonna be the man taking up residence. Clinton put up a helluva fight, but it just fell short.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:08:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Link? (2.00 / 1)

I'm not in the habit of making primary predictions and aside from one or two quips here and there I generally ignore anything you post. So I know I didn't engage you in any conversation on what you were or weren't doing. Again, I won't hold my breath waiting for a link though...

We've got November sewn up, the White House is ours, and Barack Obama's gonna be the man taking up residence. Clinton put up a helluva fight, but it just fell short.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:18:36 PM EST
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Re: Link? (none / 0)

You mean I gotta go dig through my comment bin back to April? Yeesh. Well, fair enough; unlike you, I don't expect other people to do my research for me.

Whatever helps me sleep at night? Heh. Besides the fact I get a screaming baby to help me sleep at night, I'm not concerned in the slightest. But if it makes you feel better, I'll let you think so. :)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:22:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll wait here for the link. (2.00 / 1)

I'll even help you out. Here is a link to my comments I'm not as active as you are so maybe it would be easier to find in my comments bin.

http://www.mydd.com/user/LatinoVoter/com ments

unlike you, I don't expect other people to do my research for me.

You made the claim you back it up. It is pretty simple.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:31:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'll wait here for the link. (none / 0)

My bad, indeed. Turns out it was "latinfighter". Apologies all around.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:26:21 AM EST
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Re: At this moment (none / 0)

Actually it's a reasonable argument.  There's a lot of renewed interest in RFK this year because it's an anniversary and also because a well-regarded book has come out and is being excerpted in national magazines.  I've read a few of them and I find the diary to be, as I said, a reasonable argument.


by Montague on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:01:27 PM EST
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Hillary has taken this seriously for 16 years (2.00 / 1)

at least.  She has lived with Secret Service portection all trhese years because of the real dangers to the President and would-be President.That is the kmain reason this whold reactionary flap is so outside of the possibility of being accurate.

Obama has fomented so much hatred and division that I fear for anybody willing to serve the country is any bold and really helpful way.  You are writing a diary to share your thoughts and conclusions about the history involved here.  That is appropriate and reflective and should be respected for what you paid to write it and post it.

You should not be ridiculed and disrespected so personally for your views.  That is supposed to be unAmerican, last time I checked.  We are supposed to be a place that respects points of view, especially differing ones.  But that is not Obama's America, as far as I can tell so far.


by itsadryheat on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:17:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OFB (2.00 / 2)

Why are you dragging the Oregon Food Bank into this?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:24:30 PM EST

Re: OFB (none / 0)

Yea, OFB's  secret network may be wide-spread and powerful, but not this much


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:31:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Is the California primary in June this year? (2.00 / 1)

Why no, it is not.  So analogies to either 1968 or 1992 are stupid.


by JJE on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:26:19 PM EST

If the brain only reaches that far, it might seem (2.00 / 1)

so, but, in fact the word "California" was not operative any more than the word "assassination" was operative.  The operative words were "primary" and 'June". Her answer to the question indicated that she did not understand why they were pushing so hard for her to get out of the race before it ended, since we recall primaries that extended into June in the party's history.."I don't understand".

Though there were several examples to recall,, the most memorable to Hillary would be the one Bill won and the one RFK got killed in, same as most democrats old enough remember.We won't remember many of the the dates of many primaries but we remember well that that primary was happening in June.

The question was not "why are you still in the race" any more that then the answer was not "maybe he'll get assassinated".


by itsadryheat on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:28:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wasn't she still Republican when JFK was killed? (none / 0)

I don't think she switched parties until the early 1970s, so it wouldn't have had as much impact on her as on Democrats.

Besides, the first primary vote in 1968 was more than 2 months later than in 2008, so it was less than 3 months into campaigning when Bobby was shot. Also, Bobby didn't even enter the contest right away.

So there's little comparison between 2008's primary season which has run for the past 18 months and 1968's season which ran for 6 months.


by edg1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:46:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oops. Meant RFK, not JFK. (none / 0)


by edg1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:46:58 PM EST
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It was about the date it was still running (none / 0)

not the length of time or starting date.  But I'm sure you knew that.  This pretending not to see the obvious in order to lead the though away from the obvious into distracting straw piles is a favored tactic of Obama supporters.  Why is that?  What's wrong with having people and words judged on the merits?  Why distract the eye from the shell on the table...unless...?


by itsadryheat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:31:12 PM EST
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Disagree. (none / 0)

It doesn't matter at what date the race is still running.  It's abhorent to use assassination as "an innocent mention of historical examples".  Even if she didn't specifically link it to Obama it was still tasteless and out of bounds.  Why would any presidential candidate try to prove a point by talking about assassination?  Other than Ross Perot, who claimed twice that assassins were trying to kill him.


by edg1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:55:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

did it keep you from studying swing state polls? (none / 0)

mission accomplished


by itsadryheat on Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:17:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You think only democrats mourn? (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:24:41 PM EST
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Re: You think only democrats mourn? (none / 0)

Of course not. But I didn't shed any tears when Reagan was shot, so there is a degree of party identification even to mourning.


by edg1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:28:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're not Hillary. She admired RFK (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:05:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're not Hillary. She admired RFK (none / 0)

She worked on the Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) campaign in '68 and attended the 1968 Republican convention as a delegate.  Maybe she later came to admire RFK but she did not in '68.

mission accomplished


by edg1 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:18:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What a horrifyingly narrow view of humanity! (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:59:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In those primaries (none / 0)

there were still a lot of delegates in play in June.  Not so this time.  That's why her analogy is stupid and her continued campaign is quixotic.


by JJE on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:41:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Huh? (none / 0)

Someone is going to have to explain to this dumb farmer what "OFB" is.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:33:21 PM EST

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Their front is giving food to Oregonians who have none in the days before payday, but actually they control the trilateral commission from their headquarters in Area 51


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:37:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Oh, THAT OFB.

Which OFB was the diarist referring too?


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:45:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Obama Fan Club.  It's a term the anti-Obama crowd uses to diminish Obama supporters.  The diarist obviously frequents hate sites like NoQuarter.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:47:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sign me up (2.00 / 1)

Oh, cool, how can I join?

Do I get a poster of Obama and a secret decoder ring?

How many UPC symbols off of arugula packages do I have to send in?


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:52:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: sign me up (none / 0)

5


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:03:42 PM EST
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can't afford it - will substitute Twinkies wrapper (2.00 / 1)

5!

Damn!

Do you know how much they're getting for those things at Whole Foods nowadays?


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:06:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OFB: Obama Fan Base n/t (none / 0)


by Swedie on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:49:36 PM EST
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Obama Fan Base (1.16 / 6)

if you note I used two terms in the diary. OFB and Obama supporters. The OFB is a different breed of supporter withing the Obama camp. A perfect example of the OFB is ragekage or however you spell her name. She thinks the tactics she used when she was a Republican are OK to use now that she's supposedly a Democrat.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:00:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama Fan Base (none / 0)

T'rated for personal insult.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:08:04 PM EST
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Where is the personal insult? (2.00 / 2)

That I said she used to be a Republican? She has said so much herself on this very website.

That she comports herself in a juvenile manner swarming diaries that are remotely pro-Clinton posting her idiotic pics? Most Obama supporters don't behave like that.

What you call a personal insult is really a fact.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:20:38 PM EST
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Re: Where is the personal insult? (none / 0)

Nice sig.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:34:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Stay on topic. (none / 0)

You said you troll rated me for a personal insult. Back it up.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:04:20 PM EST
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Re: Stay on topic. (2.00 / 1)

Well, technically, you called out another poster.  

Given a mere difference of opinion can earn a troll-rate these days, calling out another poster, especially one that was not conversing with you, appears to be worthy of a troll-rate.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So ragekage (2.00 / 2)

was not conversing with me? You mean I imagined the "FAILED" picture she posted in response to my diary or the one of the troll doll she said was me before I "called her out"?


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:38:16 PM EST
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Re: So ragekage (2.00 / 1)

you called out the poster in another topic... defining OFB.

Besides, you could have gotten troll-rated for any number of things by any number of people... they don't have to explain why they do it.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:02:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're all over the place. (none / 0)

I didn't ask for an explanation of the TR, the TRer offered it. And I was responding in this thread to this diary about a part of this diary.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:32:18 PM EST
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Re: You're all over the place. (2.00 / 1)

Speaking of all over the place, you said I was boring you earlier... If that is the case, why do you keep replying?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:00:16 AM EST
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Because (2.00 / 1)

you keep posting to my diary. It is clear you're just looking for male validation that your father never gave you. So I'm helping you out.


by LatinoVoter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:50:02 AM EST
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spacey man is a serial troll bomber (none / 0)

S/he does not understand the rulls of giving a poster a 1  when s/he is posting them, only when s/he is trying to defend them.  They gang up to try to lower the scores of poseter they don't want to listen to because they think people may actually learn something that needs knowing froom the poster.

 They don't want to see anything they don't agree with and they want to keep others from seeing it to.  
There are words for that kind of effort, but they don't show up on the rating list yet.  Maybe soon as the site owners try to clean the place up.

Don't worry,they are their own audience.  We don't need to pay them any mind.


by itsadryheat on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:38:01 PM EST
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Re: spacey man is a serial troll bomber (2.00 / 1)

ummm... there are quite a few serial troll bombers on this site...

Most of them are Clinton supporters actually...

Of course, a lot of the Obama supporters cannot rate or rec... so the numbers may be skewed right now.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:00:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

zeroing a comment you disagree with (none / 0)

is rating abuse.  Doing it in groups is troll bombing.  Maybe that has something to do with loss of rating rights?  If it doesn't, it should. We can't maintain civility and useful discourse with troll bombing.


by itsadryheat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:58:06 PM EST
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LOL (2.00 / 2)

This was a hilarious post. I'm gonna hotlink this one. LatinoVoter, you're my new favorite troll!


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:53:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Three things: (2.00 / 3)

  1. Ragekage is male.  A single father, as I recall.
  2. Impugning anyone as "supposedly a Democrat" on this site is uncalled for no matter who does it.  And impugning anyone for formerly being a Republican when your own candidate was a Goldwater Girl is the epitome of hypocrisy.
  3. I have yet to see anything remotely hateful coming from ragekage's keyboard.  I only wish I could say the same for yours.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:36:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Something remotely hateful (none / 0)

Calling the diarist a troll:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/24/1 91525/920/7#7


by Montague on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:09:46 PM EST
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Ah. (none / 0)

Didn't catch that.  Well, the other 2.5 points still stand.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:21:26 PM EST
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That's a man? (none / 0)

1.Well seeing how he acts on the intertubes I can understand the single part. But can I still call him "she" if I'm a big ol' queen that calls everyone "she?"

2. Yeah a Republican the past two, three or four elections compares to being a Republican when Hillary was one. I mean she was such a typical Republican that when Alinsky met her he offered her a job. I'm sure it was real common for Goldwater Girls to go to college and do things like participate in projects where they monitored the trial of Black Panthers to make sure their Civil Right weren't being violated.

3. puh-leaze.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:43:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I didn't get it. (2.00 / 1)

Troll bait?


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:34:48 PM EST

I agree (1.85 / 7)

and it is obvious to those not blinded by the Obama


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:36:11 PM EST

Re: I agree (none / 0)

Why were you blinded by The Bobby?


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:39:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I agree (none / 0)

THE Obama?


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:39:21 PM EST
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Re: I agree (2.00 / 2)

When you start claiming you know the truth, and everyone else is wrong- obviously, they have blinders on their eyes you don't- well... we generally call that insane.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:43:32 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

And yet you are quite wrong when you say that the commenter claims to know the truth and that "everyone else is wrong."  He/She said nothing of the sort, and plenty of people here agree with him/her.

It's not nice to try to call someone insane even when it is couched in a roundabout way.  It's also not nice to call someone a troll as you did earlier in this diary.


by Montague on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:14:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

RFK Jr. said this himself (2.00 / 3)

She wants to continue fighting for what RFK fought for.


by catfish2 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:39:07 PM EST

Re: RFK Jr. said this himself (none / 0)

And I'm certain she will. Unfortunately (for some), not at the President of the United States.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:44:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't jinx yourself! (1.00 / 4)

Anything could happen :) At least we can hope!


by catfish2 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:21:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't jinx yourself! (2.00 / 1)

Indeed. I will tell you, though, I would have gladly voted for Senator Clinton if things had gone her way, and almost certainly still would, but it'll depend on what/how another event transpires and her behavior between now and then that'll determine that.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:23:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why was this HR'd? Uprated. n/t (none / 0)


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:38:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK? You Meant ((( LBJ !))) (none / 0)

Hilary Clinton is LBJ. Do some research and watch a few documentaries on You Tube and you will figure it out. You will also understand why no one wants her on the ticket too. She's LBJ.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:42:01 PM EST

She IS a salty gal! (2.00 / 1)

You mean she holds staff meetings while taking a dump and picks up dogs by their ears?


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:54:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She IS a salty gal! (none / 0)

Have you seen her scar?


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:03:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 5)

Of course.  They won a lot of the same crucial areas and states as well.  My father is a political scientist(by education).  He was a Fullbright scholar.  He started making this comparison last year.  You are indeed correct.  And for those of you who continue to denigrate Hillary or fail to see the clear historical similarities, does it occur to you that RFK's namesake may know better than you?  Can you let go of your hate just for one moment to understand a rather simple historical comparison?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:02:32 PM EST

Thanks for the feedback. (2.00 / 1)


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:08:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the feedback. (2.00 / 3)

Sure.  This is a great diary.  The parallels are uncanny.  It''s obvious that hill was comparing herself to RFK, NOT Obama.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:11:58 PM EST
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Re: Thanks for the feedback. (2.00 / 1)

Hillary does not have the movement of support to necessitate or validate that comparison...

Sure, his son thinks it was an apt comparison... his brother does not...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:37:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good to see your name again (1.00 / 0)

It has been a while :)


by catfish2 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:22:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK! (none / 0)

yeaaaaah ok.


by PositiveFreedom on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:48:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 1)

You wont be able to get into any substantive discussion with some of the people in here. The initial reactions by some of the Obama supporters is a glaring example of that and why McCain may win in Nov.

But dont let that dishearten you to be a Democrat for down ticket candidates.


by Sandeep on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:28:26 PM EST

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 3)

Thanks for the condescension, Sandeep. We'll keep our chins up, just for you, and those downticket dems that really deserve it.  

The idea that someone goes to MYDD for substantive discussion is a joke...this place became a toilet long ago, when the Clinton fetishists highjacked the place. It stinks of smug racism and idiocy.  


by PositiveFreedom on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:52:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 2)

Ahh, cognitive dissonance is like sunshine and rainbows to me. So invigorating. Kudos to you, sir.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:55:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks. I've already decided (none / 0)

that I'll be writing in Hillary and voting down ticket candidates once I examine their "tone" and policies.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:24:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks. I've already decided (2.00 / 1)

Ummm... their "tone"...?

What exactly does that even mean...?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:38:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ask Michelle Obama (none / 0)


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:42:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 1)

Congratulations on an informative and insightful diary, a rarity in the fetid swamp of the blogsphere Your historical analogy is on point in every respect. I would reccommend it if I knew how to do such things, even though I believe it to be incomplete. Please allow me to complete it for you:

Humphrey went on to garner the nomination after RFK's assassination. Similarly, Obama will likely go on to win the nomination after Hillary's (character) assassination. I will leave it to an Obama supporter who is a student of history to remind us how that worked out.


by STUBALL on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:53:47 PM EST

Re: Hillary is RFK! (2.00 / 5)

Your analogy is sick. To say the least.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:58:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL, I didn't complete (none / 0)

it because I was only concerned with the campaigning similarities between the two candidates. And didn't feel like completing something that was still going on.

PS, you don't have to recommend my diary but you do so by clicking the + sign next to the title. I tell you this because it took me a long time to figure out how to do it myself and was too embarrassed to ask.


by LatinoVoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, no. (none / 0)

Clicking the plus sign next to the title add